Hi guys,

I'm in a little bit of a quandry and I'm looking for some help in
unravelling this little tapestry of trans-border red tape.

I'm a Canadian citizen living permanently in the US. I hold a Canadian
Private Pilot's license (night endorsed), and I received a US
reciprocal license in 2000 when I moved to NYC.

I have not flown since 2002 and want to get things going again. I am
therefore no longer current in either country.

My US reciprocal license says I need to have a current Canadian
license, but I don't plan on ever returning to Canada, thus how can I
get this straightened out down here? CAN I get it straightened out
down here for that matter?

Next up is the 3rd class medical. It's valid in Canada for another
month, but it's not been valid in the US for 3 years (validity is 5
years within Canada and 2 years outside the country). Can I get an FAA
medical or must I return to the Great White North and go through
everything up there?

Finally, if I get my Canadian currency/recency back, must I then go
through a BFR down here, or will a U.S. BFR satisfy the Canadians?

This is all becoming very confusing! Maybe I ought to just do the
flight test and written test down here and have done with it once and
for all!

Thanks in advance.

Blue skies and calm winds

Regards,
Peter Dougherty

If replying by e-mail please send to pjd at panix dot com

you will most likely get other responses.. and even if you approach a US CFI
it may be best for him to contact the local FSDO on how to proceed.

for what you have, for the US ticket to be valid, the Canadian ticket must
be valid, and for it to be valid I would presume you need a Canadian medical
certificate, not US.

I'm thinking your best solution, with the FSDO (Flight Standards District
Office) concurrence, would be to get a US Class III "Student medical", go
get current with a CFI for solo, practice up and take a FULL US PVT PILOT
checkride. Yes that would mean the written also. But you can then "dump" the
Canadian ticket. (except for use if you ever move back), I'm sure based on
logged hours, you will just need to get what you need to pass the check ride
and not all 40hrs as required by US FARs

Are you now a US citizen? or still a Canadian.?

I'm going through the same thing here. A US Citizen and AF Officer, held a
Canadian Glider ticket in his youth, (requires medical), he then got the US
Glider ticket based on the Canadian certificate so he needs to meet the
requirements of the Canadian Certificate for the US Glider ticket to be
valid.

When he got a US PP Airplane certificate, the Glider was not added. He also
now flies USAF Jets, had Commercial and Instrument privileges on his US FAA
ticket, but not glider. For him to fly a US glider on his US glider ticket,
his Canadian ticket must be valid. (which it is currently not)

We will work him as a US add-on rating for the Commercial Glider
certificate, when he completes his FAA Glider check ride he will be able to
add the Comm Glider to the US Certificate and lose the requirement to
maintain the Canadian certificate.

Oh what a complicated web we weave.
BT

> wrote in message
...
> Hi guys,
>
> I'm in a little bit of a quandry and I'm looking for some help in
> unravelling this little tapestry of trans-border red tape.
>
> I'm a Canadian citizen living permanently in the US. I hold a Canadian
> Private Pilot's license (night endorsed), and I received a US
> reciprocal license in 2000 when I moved to NYC.
>
> I have not flown since 2002 and want to get things going again. I am
> therefore no longer current in either country.
>
> My US reciprocal license says I need to have a current Canadian
> license, but I don't plan on ever returning to Canada, thus how can I
> get this straightened out down here? CAN I get it straightened out
> down here for that matter?
>
> Next up is the 3rd class medical. It's valid in Canada for another
> month, but it's not been valid in the US for 3 years (validity is 5
> years within Canada and 2 years outside the country). Can I get an FAA
> medical or must I return to the Great White North and go through
> everything up there?
>
> Finally, if I get my Canadian currency/recency back, must I then go
> through a BFR down here, or will a U.S. BFR satisfy the Canadians?
>
> This is all becoming very confusing! Maybe I ought to just do the
> flight test and written test down here and have done with it once and
> for all!
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Blue skies and calm winds
>
> Regards,
> Peter Dougherty
>
> If replying by e-mail please send to pjd at panix dot com

A friend of mine has lived in the US for twenty years, but held a UK PPL. He
had a US certificate 'based on' his UK PPL (his words). He decided to get an
IFR rating, and was told that All certificated based on foreign licenses
were revoked after 9/11.

He ended up taking private and instrument checkrides on the same day.

> wrote in message
...
> Hi guys,
>
> I'm in a little bit of a quandry and I'm looking for some help in
> unravelling this little tapestry of trans-border red tape.
>
> I'm a Canadian citizen living permanently in the US. I hold a Canadian
> Private Pilot's license (night endorsed), and I received a US
> reciprocal license in 2000 when I moved to NYC.
>
> I have not flown since 2002 and want to get things going again. I am
> therefore no longer current in either country.
>
> My US reciprocal license says I need to have a current Canadian
> license, but I don't plan on ever returning to Canada, thus how can I
> get this straightened out down here? CAN I get it straightened out
> down here for that matter?
>
> Next up is the 3rd class medical. It's valid in Canada for another
> month, but it's not been valid in the US for 3 years (validity is 5
> years within Canada and 2 years outside the country). Can I get an FAA
> medical or must I return to the Great White North and go through
> everything up there?
>
> Finally, if I get my Canadian currency/recency back, must I then go
> through a BFR down here, or will a U.S. BFR satisfy the Canadians?
>
> This is all becoming very confusing! Maybe I ought to just do the
> flight test and written test down here and have done with it once and
> for all!
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Blue skies and calm winds
>
> Regards,
> Peter Dougherty
>
> If replying by e-mail please send to pjd at panix dot com

The only catch is that as a foreign national he must register with the
FSDO as a student, wait for the background check (if he hasn't
already), etc. Also, he can't use any CFI he chooses. Any CFI that
gives him training must be registered with the FSDO as authorized to
provide training to foreign nationals.

-Robert, CFI

I am no expert but here's what I believe you must do:
1) You do need a valid Canadian license; therefore, you do need a
CANADIAN medical. How to get that in the US I don't know.
2) I believe that your Canadian Pilot Licence is *VALID* as soon as you
get your Canadian medical; therefore, you can then proceed and get your
US currency (which I believe is fulfilled by the BFR).

I do not believe that you have to be *CURRENT* with your Canadian
license. However, below are the Canadian currency requirements.

Good luck,
Gerd (ATPL, Canadian)




FIVE-YEAR REQUIREMENT
CARS 401.05 (1) No holders of a Canadian flight crew permit, licence or
rating shall exercise the privileges of the permit, licence or rating
unless:
(a) the holder has acted as pilot-in-command or co-pilot of an aircraft
within the five years preceding the flight; or
(b) within the 12 months preceding the flight
(i) the holder has completed a flight review, in accordance with the
personnel licensing standards, conducted by the holder of a flight
instructor rating for the same category of aircraft;
(ii) the flight instructor who conducted the flight review has
certified in the holder's personal log that the holder meets the
skill requirements for issuance of the permit or licence set out in the
personnel licensing standards; and
(iii) the holder has successfully completed the appropriate examination
specified in the personnel licensing standards. (Refer to "Recurrent
Training" below.)

TWO-YEAR REQUIREMENT
(2) No holder of a flight crew permit or licence, other than the holder
of a flight engineer licence, shall exercise the privileges of the
permit or licence in an aircraft unless the holder has;
(a) has successfully completed a recurrent training program in
accordance with the personnel licensing standards (see "Recurrent
Training" below) within the 24 months preceding the flight.
(b) in the case of an aircraft other than a glider or a balloon, where
a passenger other than a flight test examiner designated by the
Minister is carried on board the aircraft, has completed five night or
day takeoffs and five night or day landings, if the flight is conducted
wholly by day, or five night takeoffs and five night landings, if the
flight is conducted wholly or partly by night.
(c) in the case of a glider, at least five take-offs and five landings
in a glider, or two takeoffs and two landings in a glider with the
holder of a flight instructor rating - glider and obtained a
certification of competence to carry passengers on board a glider from
that holder in accordance with the personnel licensing standards.

SIX-MONTH REQUIREMENT
You cannot carry a passenger unless within the six months prior to the
flight you have completed at least five takeoffs and landings in the
same category and class of aircraft, by day or night if the flight is
to be by day, and by night if the flight is to be by night.
Category means aeroplane, helicopter, etc., and class means single or
multi-engine, land or sea.

BTW, there are Canadian medical examiners in the US (information from
the Transport Canada site):
Gerd


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